Thursday, January 24, 2008

Psycho Dave: Wrong about Sanger.

Psycho Dave has recently made a post defending Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, as a hero and champion of sexual rights, and that she is unfairly demonized by certain groups of people. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite the fact that I, as an Ignostic, do not oppose contraceptives or abortion, I do oppose Margaret Sanger and the Planned Parenthood, vanguards for future infiltration of the United States by Nazis and eugenicist.

Psycho Dave claims Margaret Sanger had NO racist views whatsoever, but a simple google search found this website was the fifth result when simply searching her name:

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

Black Genocide ORG is a website fighting racism against blacks in the United States, and guess what it dug up about ol' Sanger:

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

That's not all. Here Sanger herself basically equates herself to brutal dictators in the third world by promoting forced sterilization:

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.

Psycho Dave represents a type of atheist that is rather disruptive and gives Atheism and non-religiosity a bad name. He's the kind of guy who bitches and moans when a neighbor puts up a nativity scene, he's the kind of Atheist waging a personal war on Christmas (I'm sure he'd prefer we be forced to say Happy Holidays!) and he will back anyone who simply fits into his political and social agenda, no matter what character defines said person.

6 comments:

David W. Irish said...

Oh Dear...

You've apparently been taken in by yet another dumbass Christian Fundamentalist website which used the exact same bullshit created by (1) George Grant’s 1995 book, Killer Angel
(2) Elasah Drogin's 1979 book, Margaret Sanger: Father of Modern Society

www.blackgeocide.com is a Christian Fundamentalist website. Their own site says:

http://blackgenocide.org/who.html
"

L.E.A.R.N. Northeast is part of the Life Education And Resource Network (LEARN), a national network of Christian pro-life/pro-family advocates who are dedicated to protecting the pre-born and promoting traditional family values.
LEARN was officially established in 1993 at the African American Pro-Life Planning Conference in Houston, Texas. One of the primary goals of LEARN is to facilitate a strong and viable network of African American and minority pro-life/pro-family advocates."

BTW - -you never dealt with anything I ACTUALLY wrote. I simply will not respond to anything you write, if you dont at the very least deal with material I've actually written, and use my ACTUAL quotes. I am not going to respond to strawman arguments, where you incorrectly paraphrase.

No actual quote from my blogs or newsgroup postings, no response. Get it?

You either are going to do some actual research, or I'm not going to bother with you.

CapnOAwesome said...

I'm sorry for avoiding what you actually said in your post in my quick response. I said it in the haste of time and did not write the whole thing. I will first address this:

"According to the usual littany ofclaims, Sanger allegedly believed the following:

* She wanted to exterminate blacks
* She believed in white supremacy
* She thought that we should exterminate the poor
* She believed we should forceably sterilize people with undesired genetic traits
* She believed that the poor were weeds that needed to be pulled from society.
* She wanted to use abortion and forced sterilization to eliminate undesired races. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics_and_euthanasia

I have linked to this article before on your blog, and you seem to not address it. I will not RESPOND to you unless you accurately address the facts and don't just discard them as incompatible with your agenda.

"No actual quote from my blogs or newsgroup postings, no response. Get it?"

Yeah, I get it. Isn't that YOU?

"No actual quote from my blogs or newsgroup postings, no response. Get it?"

Lawls...

CapnOAwesome said...

Well, you have addressed the link in your blog, so I'll just close the argument now.

David W. Irish said...

Pretty much every single argument that you made was already dealt with in my original blog about the demonizing of Sanger, here:

http://fundamentalistdeceit.blogspot.com/2008/01/demonizing-of-margaret-sanger.html

You owned yourself this time. Perhaps it would be a good idea to actually read my blog, and check the facts. I do post the links to the online copies of her books, which pretty much reveal that nearly every claim made by Fundies is a misquote or an outright lie.

CapnOAwesome said...

Yeah yeah, I said I'll play it your way next time. Happy?

TheAmazingAtheist said...

Hey CapnoAwesome, Sanger was a screaming racist and eugenicist, and only claimed later in her life to renounce such views. Source: http://www.rotten.com/library/medicine/eugenics/